-Reflections on Andy Stanley and the Bible-Royce

  • Posted on: 8 October 2016
  • By: Royce
Comment: 
Thank you, Dr. Brown. I have now read several articles (Mohler's, Russell Moore's), listened/watched a couple of programs (Turek's, James White's, Moore's, and others) and now yours. I find this one of the absolute most dangerous issues to come about in The Church since perhaps Rob Bell and Bart Ehrman. Stanley's epistemology is completely riddled with holes. "Weak" doesn't even begin to describe it. Dr. Brown, you are absolutely correct, when you say that "You still come back to the same problem, don't you?" Stanley's comments actually sound as though he believes Science has proven various stories in the Bible - like a literal 6-Day Creation - as false! And, on that note, I'd have to ask Stanley this question, "When you demean the Creation Story, Worldwide Flood Story, and the Exodus Story, does that not discredit the entire Bible?" If part of the Bible is not true then what’s to say any of it is? Certainly 2nd Tim. 3:16 can't be!! If one can discount the Creation Story then why not the Virgin Birth Story? Moreover, given the issues of today, does not Stanley’s inference that the Bible cannot be substantiated and supported open the door completely up to the apostates who claim that Homosexuality and the rest of the LGBTQABCXYZ community are perfectly legit because “we know so much more today” and “science has proven…”?? I'd also have to ask him, "What sense does it make to believe the stories given by Matthew, Mark, Luke, & John but deny that God Himself gave us those truths and not men?" How does it make it any easier for someone to come to Christ to tell them to rely on the word of men over the word of God??? And how about someone who says, "Ok, Matthew's accounts seem legit but the others don't seem to be right so I have to ignore them."? How is that not opening the door to a cafeteria style of theology and Bible reading that basically sets one up as their own god to pick and choose what they'll believe? That results in creating a Jesus in their own image rather than surrendering as a creation of Jesus in His image. If we do not rely on Scripture as the final authority and Word of God then that leaves us as the sole authority by which we govern our lives. Isn’t Sola Scriptura a basic doctrinal foundation block? Stanley says we must come up with new and creative ways to reach the lost. That's putting one's apologetics before their theology and they've got it backwards. His epistemology is completely upside down. Theology must come before apologetics. Not vice versa! One has to get it that understanding comes thru the Word of God FIRST! What did Jesus do to the two traveler's on the road to Emmaus? He went to the Scriptures!! "How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself." C'mon! Please, if the resurrected Jesus did that, what does that tell you?!! Stanley doesn't seem to get the fact that a Believer relating to an Unbeliever is talking to a spiritually-dead person that can't receive the things of God unless the Spirit illuminates his mind to them. That the Unbeliever is a son of disobedience, a child of wrath, one who's in rebellion against God that finds the Gospel an offence and the Believer talking to him as the stench of death unto death. One simply can NOT separate The Word from The Word. Andy Stanley is not only in error here, he is acting foolishly and, more importantly, dangerously!! This is not the first time over the past 3-4yrs that I've seen him stray into waters that caused me great concern but he's crossed the line this time. He may not understand it, or even agree with my conclusion, but I submit he has just made a direct attack on the Bible and the very Word of God itself. This is no light matter and I can't help but wonder what Charles is doing and saying about this! How did Stanley ever get to be a pastor of a 40,000 person church and not have a basic understanding of how one gets saved?