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T. Letoka posted a comment · Jun 26, 2016
First, nowhere does the Bible indicate that God usually gives us the opportunity to choose our chastisement. Mostly He just does it. And with me, if He ever makes me choose, I don't know what I would choose at that point, but why on earth would I actually not choose persecution. Its not like God would watch helplessly when I'm persecuted or something, it would be no anomaly at all to be in persecution as a Christian, be it for chastisement or for godliness. David had a choice and could have chosen anything he wanted, for his given reasons he chose what he chose.
Rev. Randy K. posted a comment · Jun 26, 2016
And David didn't choose persecution for punishment did he? Would you?
T. Letoka posted a comment · Jun 26, 2016
I'm not answering your Paul question again and again. Whether the Christians where I live deserve persecution or not is not the main point here sir, and I don't care about being persecuted at all actually, the issue is, American version Christianity as I said, has catalyzed the apostasy around the world and continues to do so, and as such they deserve chastisement to wake them (you)up to the reality of what true Christianity really is. That chastisement I happened to say is persecution and I am absolutely NOT WRONG, depending on whether God chooses to use that method, and I don not see why not as this would be corporate chastisement of the Church as a whole. Go back to the story about David that you yourself refered me to, God gave three choices to David for his chastisement and one of those was "running from his enemies three months while they pursued him," Uuh! I think that is persecution?????
Rev. Randy K. posted a comment · Jun 24, 2016
Re: "I never said he was pesecuted for sin, but the logic there is" The logic is there? Really? Like I asked you before Letoka, what sin did the apostle Paul commit that caused Paul to deserve persecution? The Christians who live where you do are no different than the ones who live where I live, you already have admitted that in your second comment. So, do you think the Christians who live where you do DESERVE persecution too like the ones in America who you claim deserve persecution? You do realize that if that happens, it will affect you too don't you?
T. Letoka posted a comment · Jun 24, 2016
Rev., I never said he was pesecuted for sin, but the logic there is, if God could allow christians to be persecuted even when they are living holy, logically, why would He not chastise them with persecution? Furthermore if God can use Satan himself, the arch-enemy of man and of righteousness to bring affliction on his children for certain purposes of His, why not persecution, which is caused by Satan anyway. And if He could allow the Israelites to be afflicted by wicked gentile nations because of sin, why not the Church? Which He allows to be persecuted anyway. Persecuion caused the Church in Jerusalem to move on and obey God by spreading the gospel beyond Jerusalem as Jesus had commanded. If Jesus can threaten to cast the Jezebel of Revelation into a sick bed, kill her children, and put those fornicating with her into great tribulation, then persecution can surely (as has been the case in the biblical narrative) be used by Him to wake some folk up, and get ready its coming.
Rev. Randy K. posted a comment · Jun 23, 2016
Well, there you go again Letoka. What sin did the apostle Paul commit that caused God to allow him to be persecuted?
T. Letoka posted a comment · Jun 23, 2016
Where exactly did I say God allowed them to be persecuted because they deserved it? I was explaining the position of God in contradistinction to that of an earthly western father. Howbeit deserving worse persecution in that they deserve chastising? I stand by that! There is no way for you to show that persecusion by the wicked cannot be used by God to chastise. The God of the Bible allowed wicked Babylon to reduce the holy temple to rubble, to take his only people to Babylon as captives, for what huh? Read Daniel 9:24, discipline is one of the reasons. And they never carved idols after that. Paul was restrained from pride by a messenger of Satan, whatever that messenger caused on him, we know Paul did not shun persecusion (unlike spoiled American Christians) but gloried in his persecusions and proceeded to head on to Jerusalem against advice not to do so. For him to live was Christ (not prosperity for stuffing on whoppers) and to die was gain.
Rev. Randy K. posted a comment · Jun 19, 2016
Your original comment Letoka was that Christians in America DESERVE to be persecuted. Now you are saying that the Christians that God has allowed to be persecuted by wicked, godless people were persecuted because they DESERVED to be persecuted and that is why God allowed it--because He was chastising them. The Bible clearly supports God disciplining His children. However, there is nowhere in the Bible that supports the idea that followers of Christ are persecuted because they deserve it and that is why God allows it. Don't you know the difference between a father disciplining his children and a father letting someone persecute his children to the point of death for something they did wrong? That is not the God of the Bible.
T. Letoka posted a comment · Jun 19, 2016
Rev, God is not the typical smiling, hoop-shooting all-American dad in a golf shirt afraid of what strangers might do to his kids. Rather, He is the sovereign King of the universe who has in history allowed His children to be tortured by antichrists with horrific tortures, so lets not turn Him into an American or anything unbiblical. In fact Paul had messesnger of Satan plaguing him and Jesus refused to deliver him but gave him grace. The biblical narrative does not show us that persecution cannot be His way of chastising, instead it points to it as a very possible means of doing so, so please.
Rev. Randy K. posted a comment · Jun 18, 2016
Are you saying that if children are disobedient to their parents and misbehave, they deserve to be persecuted by strangers LeToka? Being disciplined by God for being disobedient is quite different than saying followers of Jesus deserve persecution. When David sinned against the Lord by having the fighting men counted, God gave him 3 choices for punishment. David's response was, "Let us fall into the hands of the Lord, for His mercy is great; but do not let me fall into the hands of men." II Samuel 24:14 I certainly hope you can see a difference. If not, I certainly hope you don't have children.
T. Letoka posted a comment · Jun 18, 2016
Rev, remember that place where the Bible said God chastises those He loves? And that place where it says judgment begins in the house of God.Yeah! There is almost no more Christianity in America, at least anything a bit closer to Ephesians 5:27, although the apostasy is all over the world, the American Church helped greatly to catalyse it. Down here in Africa there are little American copy cats everywhere you look.
Rev. Randy K. posted a comment · Jun 18, 2016
Christians in America deserve worse persecution Letoka? Exactly where is it in the Gospels that Jesus said His followers deserve persecution?
T. Letoka posted a comment · Jun 17, 2016
This brings mixed feelings, frustration with the ridiculous anti-Christ logic but the fact is American Chistians actually need and deserve worse persecution than this.
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